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battle! Technology Dendreon
Corporation
Martin A.
Simonetti Interview
conducted by: CEOCFOinterviews.com Bio of CFO Martin A. Simonetti has served as the Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer since joining the company in January 1999 and Senior Vice President, Finance since January 2001. From 1991 to 1998, Mr. Simonetti was employed at Amgen Inc., a pharmaceutical company, where he held various positions, including Vice-President Operations and Finance of Amgen BioPharma and their Director of Colorado Operations. From 1984 to 1991, he was employed at Genentech, Inc., a biotechnology company, first as a scientist in their Medicinal and Analytical Chemistry Department and later, after obtaining an M.B.A., as a financial analyst and quality group controller. Mr. Simonetti received a B.S. and M.S. in Nutrition from the University of California, Davis and an M.B.A. from the University of Santa Clara. About Dendreon Corporation Dendreon
Corporation, founded in 1992, discovers and develops immunologically based therapeutic
products for the treatment of cancer. The Companys lead product, Provenge, is a
therapeutic vaccine for the treatment of prostate cancer and is in Phase III clinical
trials, the final stage of product development. Dendreon is conducting Phase II clinical
trials for Mylovenge, its therapeutic vaccine for the treatment of multiple myeloma. The
Companys vaccine for the treatment of breast, ovarian and colon cancer, APC8024 is
in Phase I clinical trials. The Company has additional therapeutic vaccines in preclinical
development for the treatment of common malignancies, including lung, bladder and uterine
cancers. Together, these vaccines address the
eight most common cancers in the Western hemisphere. Mr.
Simonetti
We have one product that is currently in 3 Phase III trials and that is Provenge. Two of these Phase III trials are for hormone
refractory prostate cancer. We announced
during mens healthcare week, a Phase III trial in earlier stage prostate cancer for
that product as well. We also have
Mylovenge, which is in late Phase II studies for multiple myeloma, and we recently
announced the start of our third therapeutic vaccine cancer for our product APC8024 in
breast and ovarian cancers. Then we have 2
products in pre-clinical studies as well. These
vaccine candidates target multiple cancers, including lung, bladder, ovarian, breast and
prostate cancers. CEOCFOinterviews Are you focusing strictly on cancer or do
you see yourself expanding to other areas? Mr.
Simonetti
Our current focus is on oncology. However,
our technology does have applications outside of oncology.
Specifically, we believe that there is an opportunity to apply this technology to
other areas like allergy, autoimmunity and infectious disease. CEOCFOinterviews How exactly does this vaccine work? Mr.
Simonetti
These vaccines are not like our childhood vaccines that are prophylactic. These are
therapeutic vaccines. These vaccines are
given once the disease is diagnosed. In
cancer settings, the immune system is compromised. There
are factors that tumors give off that inhibit certain compartments of the immune system. There are also cancer cells that have done a good
job of disguising themselves as normal cells. The
focus of our technology is to overcome these hurdles and the way we do that is through
antigen engineering, a technology that weve evolved that rearranges these antigens
at the DNA level so that they no longer look like normal antigens but still have the
ability to illicit an immune response to the original antigen. We combine these antigens with a specific cell in
the immune system called the dendritic cell to elicit a T-cell response. Its believed that a T-cell response is the
response that you want to get in order to create a specific immune response to these
cancer or virally infected cells. That is why
we believe that this technology actually has application outside of oncology because
T-cells respond not only to cancer cells but to virally infected cells. Since these antigens are only found on cancer
cells, not on normal cells, the immune system will not respond to normal cells. CEOCFOinterviews How many treatments does a patient need in
order to suppress the cancer from traveling? Mr.
Simonetti
A patient undergoes three vaccinations over a 4-week period. The patient receives a vaccine at 0, 2,and 4 weeks
and at that point the immune system has been induced to recognize the antigen and the
natural biology of the immune system will perpetuate that response. The patient only needs to go through 1 course of
therapy. CEOCFOinterviews What type of side affects are there? Mr.
Simonetti
There are very minimal side affects. The
types of side affects you see with these products are considerably different than you see
with chemotherapy. What you see in this
setting is what you might expect with transfusion type medicine. Patients may exhibit a slight fever or may get a
slight reaction where the injection was. These
are all pretty mild side effects. CEOCFOinterviews When do you think the public will be more
aware of this and know this product is out there for them? Mr.
Simonetti -
We are currently in Phase III trials. We
began 2 of those trials last year and well be done enrolling patients for 1 of those
trials by the end of the summer. We
anticipate completing enrollment in the other trial by the end of the year. We also anticipate that we will have some data
available to share in the mid part of next year. Its
our hope at that time that we will be able to use that data in the filing of a BLA
application with the FDA. CEOCFOinterviews Obviously you will have to partner up with
some pharmaceutical company. Do you have
someone in mind or has someone taken an interest in this? Mr.
Simonetti
We have retained all the North American rights to our products. Its our
belief right now that a company of our size can in fact not only develop these products
but market and sell these products with a very focused sales force. We dont have exact numbers but I think you
can imagine a sales force in the 80-100-person range being able to cover these types of
markets. In the case of Provenge, which is
for prostate cancer, youre talking about a fairly focused group of urologists and
oncologists that you would be targeting. Its our intent to commercialize these
products ourselves. There are examples in
the industry that shows it can be done.
CEOCFOinterviews Are you doing clinical trials in any other
countries? Mr.
Simonetti
We do have a strategic partnership with the Pharmaceutical division of the Kirin Brewing
Co., Ltd. and they have licensed our technology to develop these products in Asia. They are currently conducting trials in Japan
right now for both Provenge and Mylovenge. We
have had some discussions in Europe with some of the regulatory authorities and agencies
there about these products and we anticipate that in the near future we would have some
trials underway in Europe as well. CEOCFOinterviews Where is your revenue stream coming from
now and do you have enough access to it going forward? Mr.
Simonetti
In a small company such as ours and especially such a capital
intense company as ours, we are very keenly aware that cash is king. We did an IPO and a secondary offering last year
and at the end of the first quarter this year had approximately $95 million in the bank. Weve been burning on a net basis about $2
million a month. As I mentioned we have the
strategic relationship with Kirin, and we also have a strategic relationship with the
Pharmaceutical Research Institute of the Johnson & Johnson family of companies.
Between these 2 strategic partnerships, we anticipate they will cover about 35% of our
cash burn associated with our R&D expenditures this year. They support some ongoing research associated with
those relationships in our organization now. These
collaborations, together with our cash generated from equity offerings, has us feeling
comfortable that we have sufficient cash to bring these products to market at this time. CEOCFOinterviews - Back in April when you did your first quarter
results, in R&D alone it increased 49%. Can
you expand on that? Mr.
Simonetti
Thats a reflection of the significant increase in effort
around the clinical trials. As you know
moving a product from the research phase into the clinical development phase is a very
expensive decision especially in the Phase III process and so with the initiation of those
trials and bringing on board our other products into the trial process our expenditures
did run around that number. CEOCFOinterviews Do you see this following the same path
until it is marketed or do you feel the largest sum is behind you? Mr.
Simonetti
This is part of a portfolio management discussion that we evaluate each product on a
series of criteria and base decisions on how we are going to move these products forward
on a resource basis as well. So you have to
link all these things together. As Provenge
winds down in its trials towards the end of this year, other products will be moving
upwards in trials in terms of that. Therefore, we certainly arent going to see
expenditures going down in the very near future. Obviously,
we cant continue to increase expenditures at the rate you described on an ongoing
basis. We have 2 other products that are in
the clinic as well and are continuing to move forward and as you move them further and
further into the clinic, the expenditure level will increase. CEOCFOinterviews How much advertising expenditures are you
willing to spend to get these products out there? Mr.
Simonetti
First of all, until the products are approved we cant be promoting our products. At this point, we are doing no promotions of the
products. We have done patient enrollment
efforts, but we certainly are not promoting the products in any way at this point. As we move forward and receive approval from the
FDA for the marketing and selling of this product then in fact we would evolve a marketing
strategy that would promote these products at that time. CEOCFOinterviews What would you say to a potential investor? Mr.
Simonetti
Theres a couple of key things that an investor should look at and if you do that
than I think that you would see that we are a company you would want to invest in. One key
thing is the technology. You have to take a
hard look and understand the technology that you are investing in. Another factor is intellectual property, which is
always a very important part of the decision making process. In the case of Dendreon, we have 88 patents that
we either own or have licensed. We have over
200 applications in place for other patents. Weve really built a solid intellectual
portfolio to support the ongoing efforts of the organization. I think another thing you should look at is the
management team. In the case of Dendreon, I
think that you would be very impressed. Our
chairman and CEO, Chris Henney, is an over 20-year veteran in the biotech industry and was
a co-founder of Immunex Corp. In 1989,
together with a couple of other people, he was co-founder of Icos Corp. He took the helm here at Dendreon back in 1995. Our president and chief scientific officer, Dave
Urdal, is another 20 year veteran having spent the first 14 years at Immunex Corp. as
their first head of Biochemistry and then ultimately as the president of their
manufacturing division the last 5 years before joining Dendreon in 1995. Myself, Ive
been in the industry 20 years as well. Originally,
as a bench scientist and then moved over to finance at Genentech back in the late
80s. Then joined Amgen in 1991 in
various finance operation roles ultimately as the V.P. of Finance and Operations of their
Colorado division. Then I joined Dendreon in
Jan.1999. At the senior level we have 3
people who have been with successful companies and successful products and have seen what
works and doesnt work in those companies and in the industry as a whole over that
period of time. There are a lot of lessons
learned through experience. So I think those
are the key criteria, the technology, the intellectual property, the management team and
ultimately the cash. CEOCFOinterviews When you joined the company in 1999, what
was the biggest challenge you were faced with? Mr.
Simonetti
In January of 1999 the company was in the process of moving its headquarters from the San
Francisco Bay area to Seattle, Washington. We
were faced with a multiplicity of issues at the time; mostly centered on financing the
organization. We were in the process at an
operational level of moving the entire company and relocating families and scientists. At the same time we were obviously trying to do a
round of private financing to support the next phase of growth in the company. There was a lot of activity going on at that time
and I do reflect back on it often because it was a lot of fun and it is still a lot of
fun. It was an exciting time to say the
least. CEOCFOinterviews Do you have any problems getting the
scientists and qualified personnel? Mr.
Simonetti
Since moving to Seattle, weve been very fortunate to grow the organization at a pace
that makes sense with what we are trying to accomplish.
The pool of talent here locally in Seattle is quite good. The other aspect about Seattle, were not
only able to recruit locally but we can recruit nationally and internationally as opposed
to being a small company in the Bay area where the cost of living was really prohibitive
for a small company to move people into the area. It
takes a little longer to recruit scientists than it does general administrative people but
I think that because of the things I mentioned earlier about why someone would invest in a
company, those are the same reasons we are able to attract strong talent to this
organization. Thats part of why we were
able to grow the organization quite successfully over the last 2 years.
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